Beyond the Trenches

Special Finds at Zominthos

Quartz Crystal

In Room 15, we found many quartz crystals. It is probable that this room, among others, was used for processing this rar

e and valuable material, which in antiquity was believed to have magical properties. Quartz crystals and offerings made of this material have been discovered in the Idaean Cave and at some peak sanctuaries, indicating that they may have been used in various Minoan rituals.

Rock crystal (room 15)

Rock crystal in situ (room 15)

Quartz crystal in situ (room 15)

Lekanes

In the Ceramics Workshop, we uncovered two mysterious “lekanes.” There are no parallels in Minoan archaeology. Although they resemble modern juice squeezers, we are not sure about their function. The spout was designed to pour liquids, so we think that they may have been used either in the process of producing ceramics or for squeezing juice from fruits and vegetables. Another idea is that they were used for food production, such as the congealing of milk in order to produce yogurt or cheese. In addition, both lekanes had a hole at the base, which may have facilitated their smooth firing–the hole was likely used to position the vessel on a shaft in order to spin it, like on a potter’s wheel.

Lekanes in situ (Ceramics Workshop)

Lekanes in situ (Ceramics Workshop)

4. Lekanes

Lekanes (Ceramics Workshop)

Potter’s Wheel

The potter’s wheel from the Zominthos Ceramics Workshop is one of the biggest found to date, in either a palace or palacelike structure (or villa). It belongs to the well-known typology 3C (according to R.D.G. Evely). Similar wheels have been found at other sites, including Nerokourou, Knossos, Archanes, Tylissos, Gournia, and Zakros.

The Zominthos wheel has a diameter of 44 centimeters (17.3 inches) and a slightly projecting rim. On the back, it has seven grooves/ridges and a collar (13 centimeters, 5.1 inches) with oblique cuts. The wheel would have been attached to a vertical axis that revolved around the socket.

The potter’s wheel was used to shape round ceramic wares. The principle of the wheel was most likely developed in Mesopotamia. In ancient times, pots were created using coiling, a technique that involved squeezing, squashing, and smoothing successive layers of clay coils into a thin, even wall that swelled or tapered as it grew and formed a shape. To do this, the potter needed to turn the pot around slowly as he worked. Gradually, innumerable ways of using a platter or bowl to speed up the coiling were developed. Eventually, a small turntable was employed, with which a vessel could be turned around quickly and easily. However, it took a long time for free-running, steady turntables to come into use.

Potter’s wheel, back (Ceramics Workshop)

Potter’s wheel, back (Ceramics Workshop)

Potter’s wheel, front (Ceramics Workshop)

Potter’s wheel, front (Ceramics Workshop)

Pithos

Among several pithoi that we have found in the Zominthos Central Building, there is a particularly interesting one that came to light in 2007. It took up a great area of the southeast and central part of room 15. It has a height of 1.15 meters (3.7 feet) and two rows of handles below the rim and at the lower part of its body. At the center of the room, and in contact with the pithos’ rims, two thin pieces of limestone came to light that do not resemble the stones fallen from the story above. This probably means that they were used to cover the pithos, which was most likely used for storing liquids or legumes and nuts.

Pithos in situ (Central Building)

Pithos in situ (Central Building)

Pithos (Central Building)

Restored Pithos (Central Building)

Kymbe

We discovered this object in the northwest corner of room 15, near the pithos. Similar objects, which have been characterized as sauceboats, have been found at Akrotiri, Thira. However, we are yet not certain if the Zominthos find had the same use, since it is much larger and undecorated. Any suggestions?

Kymbe (room 15)

Kymbe (room 15)

Beads Made of Bronze, Sard, and Agate

These beads, which we excavated in room 19, were most likely part of a necklace. They are special finds not only for Zominthos, but for the Neopalatial period in general. These kinds of artifacts usually come to light in cemeteries, which are quite rare during this era.

Beads (room 19)

Beads (room 19)

Rhyta

In the south wall of room 15, we revealed one niche, in which we uncovered three high-stemmed communion chalices. These cups were used as rhyta, since they have a hole at their base through which liquid offerings could be made. These finds may indicate the Central Building’s double use, as a place of worship and a crafts center, an interpretation that is reinforced by site’s location on the route to the Idaean Cave.

12. Rhyta

Rhyta (room 15)

Rhyta in situ (room 15)

Rhyta in situ (room 15)

Knife Blade and a Vessel’s Base with Fingerprints

We found this knife blade in the Ceramics Workshop, near the potter’s wheel and under a very strange base of a vessel that has numerous fingerprints. Although it is not definite that the blade was used in the production of pottery, it is certain that it was used like a modern knife, probably for the preparation of food, since we unearthed a lot of animal bones in the same room. On the other hand, the base of the vessel has no parallels. The fingerprints may have formed a rough surface to be used as a grater, probably for the production of pottery. Any suggestions are more than welcome!

Vessel with fingerprints (Ceramics Workshop)

Vessel with fingerprints (Ceramics Workshop)

Knife blade (Ceramics Workshop)

Knife blade (Ceramics Workshop)

Pig Rhyton

We uncovered this rhyton, shaped like a pig, in the niche of room 11. It seems that there are no parallels of this type and, along with the other three rhyta in room 15, it may reinforce the interpretation of the Central Building’s double use as a place of worship and a crafts center.

Pig rhyton, front (room 11)

Pig rhyton, front (room 11)

Pig rhyton, top (room 11)

Pig rhyton, top (room 11)

Plaster

On the floors and walls of the Central Building, we found great quantities of plaster. Many of them have traces of red and blue color, as well as traces of the strings that were used to shape the outlines of frescoes. Their quality is unprecedented for such a building, which supports the notion that Zominthos Central Building had palatial features and functions.

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Plaster from the Central Building

Pyroluzit

In room 15, we unearthed several pieces of pyroluzit (manganese oxide), which has a semi-metallic shine and is mainly found at Lavrio (Attica) and on the island of Melos. When processed appropriately, it can be used to make colors and produce porcelain.

Pyroluzit (room 15)

Pyroluzit (room 15)

Floors

The archaeological data in Minoan archaeology, with the exception of Akrotiri and Archanes, rarely present such well-preserved floors from each story. An excellent example at Zominthos comes from room 15, where part of the floor was lying in the upper layers and especially above the pithos found at the northeast part of the room, giving a definitive answer about the original appearance of the floor.

Floor from room 15

Floor from room 15

Comments


  1. Russ Roy

    Vessel with fingerprints! for the benefit of the FBI? I doubt it being used as a grater. The rim would probably be smaller or non-existent. For strength, making the piece thicker would be better for a grater. There are some other possibilities. For example, this is a frying pan. Clay is not as thermally conductive as metal, so making it more conductive would help. Putting all those little dents in probably more than doubled the surface area of the pan so it warmed up faster and was hotter. Sticking with Julia Child, lets put some berries into the fingerprints, pour some batter on top and bake it. Flip it over and you have a decorated cake. Stretching a little, we suppose that the knife and the “pan” worked together. If you had something you wanted to stay still while you sliced it, pushing it down on a textured surface would help do that. The rim would catch the blood/juices.. whatever. This room was not a kitchen but for making clayware as you said: pots, bowls, knife handles, pans, all to order!

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  2. Russ Roy

    As far as the restored pithos, several things come to mind. It is a storage vessel and would have been unstable sitting on the floor during common modest tremors in the region. It has a rather narrow base for its height. The handles are not for hands but for ropes and this vessel was probably suspended from the ceiling at perhaps a 30 deg. angle from the horizontal. Given the length of the vessel, it still could have held a lot. I suspect olive oil as the most likely. People today incorrectly think Bronze Age people had a primitive technology. This is incorrect. It was different than ours and one major difference is that people were used more than machines and engines. Two people would have manipulated the vessel. One at the lower end would lift it and at the other end, liquid would flow into a smaller vessel held by the second person. The cover, not shown, could have been easily crafted to fit in the angled position. As the vessel was slowly emptied over time the ropes could be adjusted to change the angle. The vessel could also be refilled while hanging also. The floor could be swept, it might have also been possible to adjust the ropes to that when not needed, the vessel would be moved up so people could walk under it. Hard to know this without more detail about the room.

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  3. Matthew Day

    With respect to object 15, it is tapered and rounded towards the front edge, or I would have said something to do with directing water runoff. At the left edge (as shown) the end is straight, but chamfered at roughly a 45% angle. I think you will find some kind of attachment method there, that will tell you if the object was a handheld scoop, or part of some larger scooping thingy, lol. It was located in proximity to the big pythos, which I will bet dollars to donuts had a bulk commodity like grain, or flour in it. Maybe it was part of the broken lid for the pythos? a kind of chute to channel new grain or flour into the pythos? A funnel for granular solids.

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  4. Samuel David Clark

    I propose It looks like Arundo Donax. It is spot on as far as taxonomy and spacing in nature. Barley has thinner leaves and is much more crowded, the seed head is also not depicted here. In greek writing the Minoans still at this time were more openly using sacraments than people in other areas. It would make sense to label the plant on its intended vessel if it was in some way intoxicating. Is it the shape more that makes you believe it ceremonial? I would also like to know more about the pigment used and how I could find out. Thanks again!

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  5. Prof. John DEAN

    RE:
    Kymbe

    We discovered this object in the northwest corner of room 15, near the pithos. Similar objects, which have been characterized as sauceboats, have been found at Akrotiri, Thira. However, we are yet not certain if the Zominthos find had the same use, since it is much larger and undecorated. Any suggestions.

    SUGGESTION

    Dear Sirs, Madame, Ms.:

    As one looks closely at the various objects and their use, and without knowing additional details about composition and
    size in this case — this object looks a lot like a small version
    of a drain pipe, no?

    That is, could this be a drain pipe that is closed at one end and open at the other — thus directing
    water & moisture in a certain direction? An intelligent detail of engineering. Water, after all, was to be
    saved and harnessed. (And, after all, this object is undecorated.)

    Just a suggestion.

    Thank you.

    Best: — Professor John Dean

    PS:
    Bravo on your WebSite! Very inspiring and subject appropriate.

    Professor John Dean,
    . Program Co-Director, 2015-2017 – der Akademie für Lehrerfortbildung und Personalführung
    in Dillingen, DE.
    . Executive Member US American Studies Association International Committee.
    . Chercheur Centre d’Histoire Culturelle des Sociétés Contemporaines, UVSQ.
    . Prof. Emeritus MC University of Versailles, France

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  6. Sean Darius Vickery

    I have seen references to a quartz “lens” found at the Idaean Cave, but have not been able to find a scholarly article on quartz artifacts from this site. Did your team find a “lens”? Do you have any idea if the quartz workshop had grinding tools. Thanks!

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  7. Thelma Kastl

    Thank you for taking the time to share your adventure and knowledge for those of who have not had the opportunity to experience this in person. I love the fact that I can tie this into history, science, technology, engineering, mathematics and technology assessment! I wish I had the financial means to support your endeavors!

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  8. Razzi Smith

    This is so amazing, I am completely blown away. I would love to help anyway I can if you ever have volunteers helping out let me know i would love to do this anyway i possibly can. This seems so interesting, I am so jealous that people actually get to do this.

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  9. Rachel Whidden

    In the Introduction for the field notes it states that one of the rooms that would be concentrated on would be room 19 because of the light well that was located there. On this page it states how the beads made of bronze, sard, and agate were also found in room 19 and how they were mainly used in cemeteries and quite rare during the time. Do you think the two have a symbolic relationship since they were found in the same space?

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  10. Ioannis Georgopoulos

    I recently read that you guys have found a ‘libation table’ inscribed with Linear A at Zominthos… Is it possible for you to provide me with photos of the inscription (all 12 sides) for personal use? I have been working on Linear A and pictographic for some time (well over a decade) and in fact was awarded a MA for my work… I would be forever grateful!!!

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  11. Lynne Nordquist

    Back in 2010 I suggested that the mysterious vessel with the fingerprints found in the potter’s workshop was a bat or banding wheel. I should have remarked at the time that if the vessel is indeed a bat, then the location of the knife makes perfect sense. Most potters have several knives, made of metal, wood and other materials, used for the purpose of trimming the base of a freshly thrown pot before removing it from the bat or wheel.

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  12. Samuel France

    Two comments about object identification, generally to draw broad comparisons to more modern tools.

    Some of the best tools are not used just for one thing. Particularly when one is in a hurry, a screwdriver is a fine alternative to a can opener, a prybar and a chisel. As an ancient example, if I’m a hunter in the field, and some scrap of leather is dangling off clothes, I could very well decide to cut it off with an arrowhead.

    There’s a misassumption that tools were especially apt for their purpose. After buying kitchen knives for some years now at the local reminders store that sometimes sells very high knives, I’m surprised that some knives were made By major manufacturers at all — they’re largely useless for most people. (I’m thinking of a bread knife from Henckels.) I have an inexpensive Japanese sushi knife that’s so razor sharp, it’s too dangerous for general use. My aging stepmother complains about the weight of the very expensive kitchen knife I gave her — yet she’s a small person. I’m a large athletic person, and I often feel the little kitchen knifes that skimp on metal weight are the wrong tool for me for any job.

    So, thinking outside the box, these ancient tools may have had more than one purpose for which they were more or less suited.

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  13. Kestie Freehawk

    I have a Lodge cast iron Chicken Fryer made of cast iron that has dimples in the lid and when I make pan fried pizza the lid is handy because the thin part of the metal is hotter and evaporates the steam. It melts the cheese without making the bread soggy. Could the dimpled pan be a lid for melting cheese on flat bread?

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  14. Peggy Schuyler

    Could the Kymbe (rm 15) be a type of funnel used to fill jars with grain, wine, olives (if available then), and such? Or a scoop used to fill jars? Good luck on your fascinating excavations!

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  15. tina swetman

    Hi, I am bringing a group of teenagers from the UK to Crete next summer(2012) to participate in the Duke of Edinburgh award. Part of the award stipulates that they spend 5 days doing something that interests them away from home. I was wondering if it would be possible to come along to the dig and be put to work in some basic capacity? There are 10 of them, they are all from an independent school in Canterbury in the south of England. They are intelligent, articulate well presented individuals who would take this opportunity very seriously. We will be in Crete from 14/15 August until 28/29 August depending on flights. They will spend 5 days walking in the Lefka Ori fro the expedition part of the award. Can we be of any assistance?
    Best Regards
    Tina Swetman
    on behalf of
    Kent College Canterbury

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  16. Sylvia Constantindis

    Dear Mrs Sakelarakis,
    My condolences on the passing of yoru husband. Here in Australia we are fascinated by Minoan civilization and archaeology. I hope one day you will visit us with some of yruo finds. I have visited Crete and walked with teh Minoans, They were truely a fascinating civilization. Please continue to publish.

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  17. Livvy McMahill

    Mrs. Sakellaraki…

    Please accept my sad condolences on the death of Professor Sakellaraki…& my best wishes for your continued directorship of this very Important dig…

    My husband’s grandfather was from Crete & often spoke of the Marvelous objects found while plowing their fields on Crete…He was a great admirer of the Old Ones, as he called them…

    Thank You for your work to bring this most Amazing civilizaton alive again…

    They were Fascinating people who deserve to Live again & to be Appreciated for their accomplishments & Beautiful creations…

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  18. Efi Sakellaraki, Director of Zominthos Excavations

    Dear Mrs Bauer,
    Thank you for your suggestions. However, both objects are big and heavy. So they cannot be used the way you propose.

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  19. Christine Bauer

    The video from dig was wonderful. My only complaint is I wish it were longer. Is there a documentary in production or that has been made of your discoveries? As for remarks about one or two of your finds, I have always found as many before me that the simplest explanation is usually with rare exceptions the most accurate. I believe this holds true in archaeology especially; with rare exceptions. Since the Kymba was found very near the larger vessel which you theorize held grains or beans, it was most likely a vessel to facilitate the removing of these dry goods from the larger container which you noted was nearly 4 feet tall. Clearly impractical even in those times to compel a slave or servant to up end this vessel whenever needed not to mention the real risk of it being accidently dropped and broken thus damaging or destroying the goods within and the container as well. In our throwaway modern world we sometimes forget that breakage and waste might not be seen as insignificant in other eras. Hence the Kymba. To make removal from such a large vessel easier and safer. If you have discovered or in the future do discover at this site more Kymba I would be interested to know if they are the same size as this one or varying sizes. It does not change my opinion of the use of this paticular find but would expand the definition into this being one of a series of measuring devices and not just utensils to remove some goods from a much larger vessel. As for the artifacts which resemble juicers, again that saying comes to mind. They do resemble very much kitchen items our mothers and grandmothers, and their forebears, used to remove juice from citrus. Such a device in their kitchens greatly speeded up the making of juice before ready mades and concentrates and electric juicers. Prior to this type of utensil, juicing was by hand, squeezing, or with a rheam, digging out, and was more laborious. Since juicers that look just like this have been in use in America and Europe since before the Enlightenment, it’s reasonable to suggest that is exactly what you have here. A juicer. Thank you for allowing a novice and amateur to contribute. This is a very enjoyable and informative website and the queries you solicite from viewers makes for wonderful reading and for thinking upon these truly provocative and breathtaking discoveries.

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  20. Rita Roberts

    Hello Costos. I live in Crete and work as a volunteer at Instap Study Centre East Crete. studying the Minoan Pottery. The Kymbe has been a fascinating object and the suggestions put forward as to what this vessel may have been mostly seem feasable, but have we yet discovered what it actually was ? I think everyone is dying to know. Thankyou for sharing this most interesting site.

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  21. Clayton Moore

    Costas, I hope everything is going well there. Thank you for the update, we really appreciate it. Happy New Year to you and the team.

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  22. Costas Papadopoulos Team Member of the ''Zominthos Project''

    Dear all,

    Thank you for your comments and your fruitful discussions! We hope that in the next years we will find some linear tablets as the importance of this building dictates that some kind of administration/organisation and recording should have existed. This year we are going to continue the excavation at this year’s Area 1, where Roman finds were unearthed. Also, we are going to clear the rooms at the northeast part where plaster usually coloured has been revealed in an excellent state of preservation. We will keep you updated as soon as we will make final decisions and arrange things. Happy new year to all! Continue posting your comments and pursuits!

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  23. Laura M

    Thanks Jonathan and Clayton for the input. My mistake…yes, I did mean Linear A. The glyphs here seem very similar to what I have seen of this mysterious script. I wonder if they are some type of prototype for Linear A. Of course, that will be impossible to tell until both are translated. I can read ancient Greek, and it is amazing how different Linear A and B look! This seems to indicate, at least to me, a significant amount of time had passed between the formation of the 2 scripts, and/or that they were formed by completely different cultural groups. All of this may seem like common sense to those with more expertise. I personally like to form my own theories, then check the research, to keep my mind sharp! I welcome any comments and/or corrections, since that it what the learning process is all about. One other question: Have any myths, stories, letters, or other forms of creative written communication been found at or near this site? (I am referring to anything that can be translated and understood.) A person can learn much about a culture from its writings. Happy learning everyone 🙂

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  24. Livvy McMahill

    Certain Native American tribes believe Quartz crystals contain the following Powers: They help to heal the mental, physical, and spiritual ailments. Clear quartz contains all colors to help balance, energize and expand all elements to make one whole and fulfilled. They were, and in certain places still are, believed to have the Power to help each of us to find our Inner Light. Perhaps the Minoans held similar beliefs. (and no, I am not in any way suggesting there is any connection whatever between these cultures).

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  25. Jonathan Barker

    Additional to my last – sorry I rather rushed my text – I meant to say Linear B was deciphered with help from John Chadwick (see his book on Linear B) by Michael Ventris and English Architect who had been fascinated by the Minoan script for many years. You could look up both names in Google and you will find a wealth of info. Cheers… Jon

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  26. Jonathan Barker

    Hi Laura et al
    Absolutely fascinating stuff on this site – just come back from a week’s holiday on Crete – staying in Sisi and when visiting Malia palace site on the day we left – by chance met a real live Archeologist who told us about a newish, important site just outside Sisi – Minoan settlement and likely ancient port – used right up to the Iron Age apparently – sits next to Bufos Beach to E of Sisi and to W of Milatos Beach. Sorry to correct you but Linear B was deciphered, with help from John Chadwick and others in 1953! I think you may have muddled with Linear A which is similar in glyph form to Linear B and is still undeciphered I believe – although there are various theories. The 3rd type of ‘writing’ found at Knossos etc is pure glyph form which may be a much earlier version of the Minoan language but I think the jury is still out on that? Would welcome some input from one of the ancient language specialists! Thanks to all for a great site and interesting feedback re artifacts! I’ve been fascinated by the Minoan culture for very many years and this just ‘hits the spot’! Jon

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  27. Clayton Moore

    Hi Laura, I completely agree. It is my impression however that many are trying to date Linear B “to before” ‘glyphics. I by far know absolutely nothing about the writings other than “A” is desiphered, yet nobody can explain “B”. I am just a “self-student” of ancient greek archaeology. I love the subject, and happened across this site last year and have been actively following it.

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  28. Laura M.

    Thanks, Clayton. Wouldn’t it be great to actually be on site to examine all of the artifacts and take in the scenery? I hope that the Linear B script is translated within my lifetime. Am I the only one who think so, or does it look a lot like Egyptian hieroglyphics? Are there any theories out there relating to cultural diffusion, that try to explain why Linear B looks the way it does? I guess that question could pertain to any pictographic script.

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  29. Laura M.

    Hello Everyone!
    Although I am more a student of ancient Greek language and myth, and a mere novice at archaeology, I will try to make a few guesses as to the purpose of some of these objects. Perhpas the kymbe served as some sort of ornamental rest for a stylus or brush. Since the Minoans had a script and used various pigments, this thought came to mind. It looks a lot like some of the brush rests I have seen in modern times.
    As for the piece of pottery with the fingerprints, my theory is that it is either a prototype for some new type of artistic style, or an accident. If it is the first, using the fingertips in this way may have been an artisan’s method of adding texture. If it is the second, the creator was making the base and then simply abandoned it for some unknown reason. I lean more toward the first idea, and suggest the second only to leave room for speculation.
    I may be way off base, but it’s fun to play archaeology detective anyway!

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  30. Teresa

    Being a bead addict I am fascinated by the beautiful beads shown on the site. What stones are they made from? I missed how old they are thought to be as well. I am very interested in the history of beads and how people decorated themselves with various shaped beads from the seeming beginning of time. The Phoenix ( Glendale), Az. Bead Museum had some very ancient beads on display some months ago. Were only those three found? The other jewelry I saw looked to be hammered, shaped and molded gold, yes? Very impressive! Do you find the patterns and shapes in jewelry repeated on pots and other artifacts, wall decoration and the like?

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  31. Costas Papadopoulos Team Member of the ''Zominthos Project''

    Dear Anna,

    We have not done any analysis of the clay so far…However, its composition seems the same with the other vessels. Also, no residues were found on these pots to have any indication about their actual use. Thank you for your comments! In a few days you will find new information for this excavation season!

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  32. Costas Papadopoulos Team Member of the ''Zominthos Project''

    Dear Stephanie,

    Rock crystals are found in great quantity in the mountain of Psiloritis. However, since they were found in various contexts where rituals were performed, such as in Idaean Cave, it is believed that they also may had magic properties. As far as the Kymbe is concerned we have not done any analysis of the clay so far…However, the composition of the clay seems the same with the other vessels and also, no residues were found on these pots. Thank you for your comments!

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  33. Stephanie MCaskill

    After looking at your the pictures of the dig and I was intrigued by the ‘crystals in situ’ picture. Are crystals of this nature normally found in these areas? What was their purpose or use if any? Thanks

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  34. Costas Papadopoulos Team Member of the ''Zominthos Project''

    Dear Froukje,

    The vessel with the fingertips and the knife blade were found exactly as depicted in the image above. Kymbe is a word used for saucieres. Although it has some common characteristics with these vessels, we are still in doubt that it was used like that. John Tackett (see above) provided a nice explanation for its potential use! Thank you for your interest. More amazing finds will come this summer!

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  35. Costas Papadopoulos Team Member of the ''Zominthos Project''

    Dear Lynn,

    We like very much your idea about the vessel with the fingerprints. Actually, it is quite large, and it seems that it fits on the wheel. Also, it seems that the rim was finished and the underside is perfectly flat. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!

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  36. Froukje Klomp

    Thanks a lot for all this exiting stuff.

    Re. kymbe. My question: what does kymbe mean in Cretan or Greek language?
    And for the fingerprint plate; was the plate over the knife found with the fingerprintside down or up? I am always interested in this kind of seemingly haphazard assemblages.

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  37. Lynne Nordquist

    What intrigues me is the vessel with fingerprints. Potters are well known for making ingenious tools to be used in production of a specific item. Is the vessel’s rim a finished rim (i.e. a thrown rim)? It is interesting that the potter used the crude fingerprint method to flatten and de-air the clay of the base, but went to the trouble of making a finished rim, thus making the vessel perfectly round. I am wondering if the underside is very flat? Also, the dimensions might be useful. Is the vessel large enough to fit snugly over the wheel that you found?

    My guess is that the vessel is intended to be inverted over the potter’s wheel and used is a bat or banding wheel, most likely a banding wheel since there is only one. A bat allows the potter to remove a pot from the wheel without having to touch its surface, then replace it with the next pot. When turning slowly, it is useful for decorating the pot as well. It can either be fitted over the wheel, or if the diameter of your vessel is smaller than the wheel, attached with a smear of clay, creating an airlock.

    Thank you so much for sharing your dig on line. Minoan pottery fascinates me, though I’ve never had the opportunity to see it “live”. One of these days I’ll get to Crete!

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  38. clayton moore

    Unless the kymbe is shown here, fractured with pieces missing, at face value it appears to be a “spout” which may perhaps had been attached to a “suspended” vessel as suggested by Livvy.

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  39. Livvy McMahill

    I must agree with Carolyn & Matt as to the purpose of the kymbe…& I feel Trebha has Clinched the matter with her Excellent revelation of the Dionysus vase…Most especially if the pithos was suspended from ropes in order to protect the vessel & it’s contents from frequent earthquakes. Suspending the vessel would have made it much easier to pour the contents into a smaller vessel as well…

    Thank you all for an Interesting evening…

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  40. Trebha Cooper

    Re Kymbe, in Karenski’s book on Dionysus, there is a photo of a vase, on this Dionysus is holding a Kymbe, while a youth is holding a vase about to pour something into the Kymbe.

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  41. John Tackett

    The Kymbe from room 15 is very interesting to me and it leaves me with more questions than answers. The piece being a channel shape would suggest to me that it had a primary use that was involved with liquid movement. I would love to see a replicated cast made of the Kymbe to measure the flow rate of liquid while angled at different degrees to give an indication of what types of comparative sized storage jars this may have been used with. I am also curious if there have been other Kymbe’s found. If this were an instrument of measure, I would think it possible that smaller and larger kymbe’s will turn up, kind of like the modern measuring cups we use today. The left side of the Kymbe in the photo is also interesting. Is there any indication that it was shaped flat or was this piece broken off from something larger? The design is also really cool to think about from an engineering aspect which can give possible solutions to the items use. Next semester I will be starting my studies in Archaeology and I can’t wait to show this to my class mates. I love the site and keep up the great work!

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  42. Costas Papadopoulos Team Member of the ''Zominthos Project''

    It could have been a drain…you are right…however, they are somehow quite distinct in comparison to drains that have been found in Zominthos. Also, the room and the position that they were found do not clearly indicate such a use…

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  43. Rita Roberts

    Re Kymbe Room 15. This looks like a drain to me.Either roof drainage which could have possibly dropped onto the floor. Or even a drainage channel for the floor in the kitchen. These have been found at other archaeological sites such as Malia. Palaikastro.Mochlos. Papadiokambos. Priniatikos and Akrotiri . Was there any more pieces found which would have fitted into it.?
    Regards from Rita in Crete.

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  44. Costas Papadopoulos Team Member of the ''Zominthos Project''

    Dear Matt,
    Your interpretation is really remarkable and has a very good point. Probably it is the most well justified answer for this vessel. We all hope that at some point we will manage to give a definitive answer!

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  45. Costas Papadopoulos Team Member of the ''Zominthos Project''

    It may have been used as a ritual, but actually it was found in a room which mostly has to do with food preparation and consumption. However, your idea cannot be excluded. It is true that there is a kymbe in the Santorini Museum. However, we do not have any idea if they were both used for the same purposes? To be honest it is quite improbable.

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  46. Matt Prasinakis (Green)

    Perhaps the kymbe was used as a spout along with a ladle, to transfer liquids from the large pithoi into smaller vessels that could be carried and poured. The rounded end of the kymbe looks like it was made to be open (Bottom edge in the pic seems to be deliberately cut off, made that way), and if the opposite end was also made like it’s shown in the picture (not broken), it would have been simple to hold it against the edge of a pithos with the rounded edge over a smaller vessel, and use a ladle to scoop liquid out. It would have gone quicker than just using a ladle to transfer the liquid from one container to another, because you just have to scoop the liquid into the kymbe and let it fill the smaller vessel.
    Much easier than calling the strongest man in the village when you needed to pour more oil out of a large pithos!

    And thank you very much for hosting this dig online! I lived in Crete for 5 years near Xania and I really explored and learned about the Minoans as much as I could, so this is really neat to follow!

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  47. Costas Papadopoulos Team Member of the ''Zominthos Project''

    Kymbe is made of clay. Although theoretically It could have been used to wash clothes, it is open in both sides which means that water cannot be kept inside and also, it was found in a room along with pottery related to food preparation and consumption.

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  48. Costas Papadopoulos Team Member of the ''Zominthos Project''

    It could have been used as a measurement item…However it is open at both sides, which means that could not be used for liquids. However, It may have been a breadpan. This possibility cannot be excluded…Good Guess…

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  49. Mary Dougherty

    Photo of kymbe looks like a breadpan I once owned, flat on base with long rounded sides, it made the perfect loaf of ountry french bread.

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  50. jaclyn

    Could it have been used as a ‘standard measurement item’..like our glass mearsuring cups..? It was found near food prep..

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  51. Costas Papadopoulos team member of ''Zominthos Project''

    That is a really interesting interpretation Carolyn. The time will shows if you are right.

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  52. Costas Papadopoulos Team Member of ''Zominthos Project''

    Actually Michael you are right. Crete has a mild climate but in such high altitudes (Zominthos is almost 1,200 meters above the sea level), it always snows during winter months, making these areas almost inaccessible for the ‘foreigners’ who do not know cretan mountains.

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  53. Michael Malchiodi

    Good morning,

    I appreciate your web site. It allows me to view your findings which are very interesting. I was suprised to see the amount of snow in one of your pictures. I assumed Crete would be too mild a climate to snow that much. Keep up the digging I love to read about it. I once was in Samos and after a heavy rain I noticed old pieces of pottery lying in the street amongst dirt from the water run off. Several yards up the hill there was some kind of dismantled temple. It still amazes me that there is so much left to find.

    Good Luck.

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  54. Costas Papadopoulos

    This artefact is about a meter long (45”) and obviously may not have been the most appropriate vessel to be used as a pattern for making shoes. It was discovered in a room where a quite big pithos and other similar pots were revealed indicating production activities and mainly storage.

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  55. Jane-Calvert Winkler-Kimble

    Re: Kymbe

    I missed the dimensions, but the first thing I thought of was a pattern for making sandals, similar to the wooden feet that guided shoemakers in their craft. What are the dimensions, in inches please? Or was this discovered in an area of the site that dealt with food production and storage? An undecorated items suggests purely utilitarian use.

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